The Big Reveal

[Arkynos]

greggerman

Rigel is 0.5% off the combo, and cannot be cloned. Not anywhere. One other thing to note about Rigel is that its max threshold is absurdly high, so if that works the way we think then it should be the same odds from any combo of galaxies even in BeB. Probably best to listen to Quil over me on this one. If all else fails, Singularity and Nova share elements so use them if you can.

The other Galaxies have 0% standard breeding, 0% cloning outside the social cave, and a line for the 'social (parent) clone this' message that overrides what would be a blank standard combo in the breeding hints menu.

[Quil]

Arkynos is correct, Rigel can not be cloned anywhere. Not only that, you couldn't breed using one in the rift cave when it was released.

What's worse is that unless they do something more for the next BeB, you can't even make any Rigel attempts. Galaxy dragons can't breed in the rift without the Starfall event, so you can't even try for a Rigel unless they've allowed it in prior BeBs (I've not checked). There's a reason I predicted Rigel would be the rarest dragon in the game, with the above rules, the very low percentage breed, and the very short time it was available.

You have to consider something else when trying for a Rigel, which I did not at the time and I failed to get one. Rigel requires two galaxy dragons, and I used two random ones. My thought was to avoid cloning with two of the same parent, but Galaxy dragons all have 0 clone chance in the rift. When using two different galaxy dragons, you're introducing 4 elements from each (and 10 if using a solarflare). If a couple overlap, your result set adds to around 125%. With 7 different elements, it jumps to 180% or more. That drops your 0.5 percent chance significantly lower for getting one, which is terrible.

During BeB, those numbers jump to 300 and 400 percent, dropping the 0.5 to 1/3 or 1/4 that small number.

Put two galaxy dragons together of the same type, such as Comet+Comet, and you'll only get 4 elements in the combination with no chance to clone. Numbers at 50 percent without BeB, and 110% during BeB. So even in BeB, you'll be very close to the 0.5 percent chance (slightly under). So if we can try for Rigel during BeB, which I have my doubts, put two of the same Galaxy dragons together for it.

[ladyj]

Jun 9, 2019 22:51:23 GMT -6 Quil said:

Breeding a Pearlescent = 0.5 * .851 = 0.4255 percent.
Cloning it with 1 parent = 0.25 percent.

Breeding is better! Add in BeB and the number jump significantly to 311.5%, dropping your chances down to 0.16 percent. So during BeB, cloning is better.

This is exactly why I wanted to do this project and work out all the details. There is no way a random player could possibly guess the above information without the data and the community like ours to help interpret how it all works.

I finally bred a Pearlescent today! By my rough calculations, it was at 0.36%. I started breeding when it was breedable (I think around May 22) and with 14 breeds per day, I figured I did roughly 280 breeds (some days may be more than 14). Without your information, I would have used it as a parent to clone for another one. But now, I will breed it instead, (and hoping there are no other events or BeB coming soon). I will keep track of my data this time and see what the odds will be. Maybe once I have one, the chances will be higher?  One can only hope...

[Quil]

Nice, I was wrong! You can breed Galaxy dragons in the rift in this BeB event. I need a Rigel and Festive dragons, looks like I can try for both with either 2 Eridanian or Andromedan dragons, which both have plant, earth and cold.

Edit: Rigel has a 7 day counter in the breeding hints. The rest have a 28 day. I'm guessing they've added 7 days of starfall to the BeB event, so go for Rigel first if needed.

Edit2: Important to note, Galaxy dragons changed in a recent release. They now have a special event associated with them called BeB Galaxy so that during that BeB they are no longer considered social only dragons. That's why we can now breed them, and I'm guessing BeB Galaxy is set to 7 days.

[Quil]

And to keep file spoilers out of the main thread, the new Galaxy Egg of Mystery can not contain a Rigel, as suspected. It has an inclusive list, and Rigel is the one dragon missing from it.

[greggerman]

Jun 10, 2019 19:38:53 GMT -6 Arkynos said:

greggerman

Rigel is 0.5% off the combo, and cannot be cloned. Not anywhere. One other thing to note about Rigel is that its max threshold is absurdly high, so if that works the way we think then it should be the same odds from any combo of galaxies even in BeB. Probably best to listen to Quil over me on this one. If all else fails, Singularity and Nova share elements so use them if you can.

The other Galaxies have 0% standard breeding, 0% cloning outside the social cave, and a line for the 'social (parent) clone this' message that overrides what would be a blank standard combo in the breeding hints menu.

So when you say that Rigel cannot be cloned, does that also apply to the case when both parents are Rigels?  If that's the case, then we'd be worse off using that combo due to the huge number of fails that arise from having Rigel in the combo.  So for those of us who like to have 2 of each dragon plus a pedestal, we'd have to breed Rigel successfully three times.  Am I on the right track here?

[Quil]

Jun 12, 2019 15:59:10 GMT -6 greggerman said:

Jun 10, 2019 19:38:53 GMT -6 Arkynos said:

greggerman

Rigel is 0.5% off the combo, and cannot be cloned. Not anywhere. One other thing to note about Rigel is that its max threshold is absurdly high, so if that works the way we think then it should be the same odds from any combo of galaxies even in BeB. Probably best to listen to Quil over me on this one. If all else fails, Singularity and Nova share elements so use them if you can.

The other Galaxies have 0% standard breeding, 0% cloning outside the social cave, and a line for the 'social (parent) clone this' message that overrides what would be a blank standard combo in the breeding hints menu.

So when you say that Rigel cannot be cloned, does that also apply to the case when both parents are Rigels?  If that's the case, then we'd be worse off using that combo due to the huge number of fails that arise from having Rigel in the combo.  So for those of us who like to have 2 of each dragon plus a pedestal, we'd have to breed Rigel successfully three times.  Am I on the right track here?

Yes, you are on track. That's why I went ahead and bought an egg for gems when it was available originally, figured I'd never breed it three times. That's not to say things will change someday and you'll be able to clone it, but as it stands today, no go. Still waiting for my first successful breed.

[Cyn]

Jun 11, 2019 12:14:07 GMT -6 Quil said:

And to keep file spoilers out of the main thread, the new Galaxy Egg of Mystery can not contain a Rigel, as suspected. It has an inclusive list, and Rigel is the one dragon missing from it.

You may not be able to get a Rigel from a Galaxy Egg of Mystery but I was gifted one through a cheapo Egg of Mystery! Go figure!?!

[Quil]

Correct, there is no list for regular eggs of mystery. With over 500 dragons on there, your odds are about 1/500 if they're distributed evenly. I have no reason to believe they are not. That's under a .2 percent chance, you're twice as likely to breed one right now. You got lucky.

[Quil]

I will be out of town for a week or so, and won't be able to run numbers and such. I'll also not be able to keep up with the breeding thread, but can catch up when I return.

[crumble608]

Jun 13, 2019 19:22:15 GMT -6 oomagooma25 said:

My third Galaxy Egg of Mystery gave me a Rigel dragon!!

seems like they have not only changed the duration of availability of Rigel from 7 days to the whole beb event but also added it to the possible outcomes of Galaxy eggs

[adlerist]

Jun 13, 2019 16:30:26 GMT -6 Cyn said:

Jun 11, 2019 12:14:07 GMT -6 Quil said:

And to keep file spoilers out of the main thread, the new Galaxy Egg of Mystery can not contain a Rigel, as suspected. It has an inclusive list, and Rigel is the one dragon missing from it.

You may not be able to get a Rigel from a Galaxy Egg of Mystery but I was gifted one through a cheapo Egg of Mystery! Go figure!?!

WOW! Thank you so much for posting this. I wasn’t sure if Rigel had been relegated to the regular mystery eggs or not, so I appreciate the confirmation. I’m glad there’s now some consistency with the mystery eggs, because it would’ve caused too much confusion to have some eggs contain the new dragons, and other eggs exclude them. Hopefully this means Rigel has also been added to the Daily Reward mystery egg.

EDIT: since I don’t consider this topic a spoiler, I didn’t use a cover here or in the Updates thread when discussing the exclusion of Rigel and the new Chrysalis dragons from the limited mystery eggs. Many apologies to anyone who feels this information has negatively affected their enjoyment of the game. It would be extremely helpful to hear from players who feel this way so better care can be taken in the future with covers, threads, etc. Thank you!

[greggerman]

Jun 12, 2019 16:21:22 GMT -6 Quil said:

Jun 12, 2019 15:59:10 GMT -6 greggerman said:

So when you say that Rigel cannot be cloned, does that also apply to the case when both parents are Rigels?  If that's the case, then we'd be worse off using that combo due to the huge number of fails that arise from having Rigel in the combo.  So for those of us who like to have 2 of each dragon plus a pedestal, we'd have to breed Rigel successfully three times.  Am I on the right track here?

Yes, you are on track. That's why I went ahead and bought an egg for gems when it was available originally, figured I'd never breed it three times. That's not to say things will change someday and you'll be able to clone it, but as it stands today, no go. Still waiting for my first successful breed.

Quil Arkynos - Now that Galaxy dragons are breed-able everywhere, do you know if anything has changed for Rigel?  Perhaps it can be cloned now, which might change up the best breeding combination if you already have one.  Just being hopeful here!

[Arkynos]

greggerman I'm afraid not. None of the Galaxies were made Rift/Cave/Island breedable with this change, just that they can now always be used as a parent wherever.

As an aside, while Rigel has been added to the main mystery egg pool (including the Galaxy eggs) it is still excluded from the login rewards.

[adlerist]

Jun 18, 2019 0:13:47 GMT -6 Arkynos said:

greggerman I'm afraid not. None of the Galaxies were made Rift/Cave/Island breedable with this change, just that they can now always be used as a parent wherever.

As an aside, while Rigel has been added to the main mystery egg pool (including the Galaxy eggs) it is still excluded from the login rewards.

So we’re right back where we started. Well, I suppose it’s good we didn’t take a step back. It doesn’t seem likely that anyone will use a Galaxy dragon in the regular breeding caves or Rift to breed a non-Galaxy dragon since Galaxies all contain several elements. This breed anywhere change seems pointless and hollow, unless there are new dragons that will require Galaxies to breed them. Of course, that would directly put more pressure on buying Galaxy mystery eggs. Back to square one we go.

Thanks for the update about Rigel and the Daily Rewards egg. Maybe after BEB. Maybe never.

[Quil]

Jun 18, 2019 9:46:19 GMT -6 adlerist said:

Jun 18, 2019 0:13:47 GMT -6 Arkynos said:

greggerman I'm afraid not. None of the Galaxies were made Rift/Cave/Island breedable with this change, just that they can now always be used as a parent wherever.

As an aside, while Rigel has been added to the main mystery egg pool (including the Galaxy eggs) it is still excluded from the login rewards.

So we’re right back where we started. Well, I suppose it’s good we didn’t take a step back. It doesn’t seem likely that anyone will use a Galaxy dragon in the regular breeding caves or Rift to breed a non-Galaxy dragon since Galaxies all contain several elements. This breed anywhere change seems pointless and hollow, unless there are new dragons that will require Galaxies to breed them. Of course, that would directly put more pressure on buying Galaxy mystery eggs. Back to square one we go.

Thanks for the update about Rigel and the Daily Rewards egg. Maybe after BEB. Maybe never.

It’s more a change to benefit Backflip. Now they don’t need special code or events to allow Rigel attempts during BeB.

[adlerist]

Jun 18, 2019 10:09:17 GMT -6 Quil said:

Jun 18, 2019 9:46:19 GMT -6 adlerist said:

So we’re right back where we started. Well, I suppose it’s good we didn’t take a step back. It doesn’t seem likely that anyone will use a Galaxy dragon in the regular breeding caves or Rift to breed a non-Galaxy dragon since Galaxies all contain several elements. This breed anywhere change seems pointless and hollow, unless there are new dragons that will require Galaxies to breed them. Of course, that would directly put more pressure on buying Galaxy mystery eggs. Back to square one we go.

Thanks for the update about Rigel and the Daily Rewards egg. Maybe after BEB. Maybe never.

It’s more a change to benefit Backflip. Now they don’t need special code or events to allow Rigel attempts during BeB.

I see. Then why the big announcement? I don’t want to give BFS grief. If it helps them that’s always a positive thing. But it’d be nice if it helped players as well. I edited my post in the Update thread. Hopefully, the confusion I added is minimised.

[samiam]

why would they say you can breed galaxy dragons anywhere if you can't. I got the pop up and I thought it meant you could I think everybody thought that why else would you breed galaxy dragons?! They're making the game more confusing.

[Quil]

I don’t have access to the rules this week, out of town, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see them change soon to allow cloning too.

[N/A]

Jun 18, 2019 0:13:47 GMT -6 Arkynos said:

greggerman I'm afraid not. None of the Galaxies were made Rift/Cave/Island breedable with this change, just that they can now always be used as a parent wherever.

wait wait wait wait wait wait. Hold on.
You mean to tell me. That BFS only allowed the galaxy dragons as PARENTS at any breeding spot, but they aren’t OUTCOMES from breeding at say the EBI, even when using like + like?!?!
Oh man. If that’s really the case, I’m going to be very disappointed that I’ve been wasting time breeding for non twin egg pedestals... 😔😰

[adlerist]

Jun 18, 2019 12:28:47 GMT -6 samiam said:

why would they say you can breed galaxy dragons anywhere if you can't. I got the pop up and I thought it meant you could I think everybody thought that why else would you breed galaxy dragons?! They're making the game more confusing.

I agree with this. The announcement was not open to interpretation. It was clear Galaxy dragons could be bred/cloned outside the co-op. Generally, these in-game notices are used to inform players about new features, content, and upcoming events. So I doubt BFS would announce a breeding tweak they created that only benefits them (but that was a very interesting and perfectly logical theory, Quil — no offence).

At this point, they either need to do another in-game announcement clarifying the issue, or allow the Galaxy dragons to be breed-able/clone-able anywhere (asap), like the announcement said they would be.

[adlerist]

Jun 18, 2019 22:26:51 GMT -6 N/A said:

Jun 18, 2019 0:13:47 GMT -6 Arkynos said:

greggerman I'm afraid not. None of the Galaxies were made Rift/Cave/Island breedable with this change, just that they can now always be used as a parent wherever.

wait wait wait wait wait wait. Hold on.
You mean to tell me. That BFS only allowed the galaxy dragons as PARENTS at any breeding spot, but they aren’t OUTCOMES from breeding at say the EBI, even when using like + like?!?!
Oh man. If that’s really the case, I’m going to be very disappointed that I’ve been wasting time breeding for non twin egg pedestals... 😔😰

Oh, I’m so sorry, that’s dreadful! When I heard about BFS’s fumble with the Galaxy dragons, I wondered how many players are happily breeding away, anticipating a Galaxy dragon that will never come. Ugh! Unfortunately, BFS has never been very good about notify players in-game of any changes or errors they’ve made.

I emailed BFS early Tuesday morning and haven’t heard back, which is usually a sign that they’re either really busy or they’re working on it. Since we’re not in the thick of a new event, I doubt they’re mired with emails, so it’s likely they’re working on it. I’ll resend my email and post when I hear back.