The Big Reveal

[greggerman]

Hi Quil. So there always seems to be people on this and other forums asking which particular dragons they used to successfully breed Dragon X. I never pay attention to those because, as far as I understand it, only the elements present in the combo matter and the particular dragons do not. I am of course not referring to dragons who do require a specific pairing in order to breed them. Is there any evidence in the file that would indicate that any combo should be more successful than any other?

[Arkynos]

There's various subtleties that I imagine could potentially make a marginal difference in certain cases, but as you thought, alike combos should generally be functionally identical. There are no "using dragon X has increased/decreased odds for $coolstuff" variables that we know of.

[Quil]

People tend to look for patterns in things that don't exist. Specific breeding pairs for any element combos are one of those things. Dragons are hard to breed, and people start to doubt themselves. Someone posts a combo that worked for them, and a bunch of people try it thinking that theirs is failing so why not. With the increased numbers using that combo, you hear more success stories from it and the cycle continues.

If your result set is low (like under 20 epic/rare dragons), don't worry about what worked for someone else. Most of the time, even if you have an extra element in there, your chances will be the same. Just be sure you really did pick the right combo of elements, I recall once spending days on a dragon and discovering I was using light instead of lightning!

[crumble608]

yes, but if breeding in the vale (not in the rift) it might be a good strategy to use the dragon as parent with the right elements and the lowest breeding time because the parents themselves have a higher probability due to cloning.
When there are for example 3 elements necessary and different posssibilities to combine them lok for two parents with moderate times.

[Cyn]

Jul 23, 2019 23:24:16 GMT -6 Quil said:

People tend to look for patterns in things that don't exist.

Are you telling me there wasn’t a dragon in the cloud formations over the Sierras yesterday? 

[adlerist]

Jul 24, 2019 8:27:00 GMT -6 Cyn said:

Jul 23, 2019 23:24:16 GMT -6 Quil said:

People tend to look for patterns in things that don't exist.

Are you telling me there wasn’t a dragon in the cloud formations over the Sierras yesterday?  8-)

This reply is of the highest quality. Clever, hilarious, straight from the top drawer. Bravo!

[cavylove]

Hi Quil I'm not sure if this is the right place or if this question is valid for this thread, but I was wondering if the odds of pieces for the mini games changed at all with the new App Store update today? If it's not a valid question that you can answer, just say - figured I'd just ask because I was wondering. Thanks!

[Quil]

No, the there was very little change with today's update and the new rule set. The odds changed drastically yesterday, prior to the app store update, and remained changed today. I posted about those new odds in the event thread.

[Quil]

Here are the detailed odds for the new Fury Dragon:

Breeding base chance (all caves): 3%
Effective breeding chance with level 10 dragons: 1.166%

Single Parent Cloning
Normal / Rift: 5%
Social: 1%

Double Parent Cloning
Normal / Rift: 30%
Social: 5%

[amos]

I saw someone post on reddit that they received an Armament through an egg of mystery. Have they been added to the log in or mystery egg pool? It seems early, maybe they were mistaken?

[adlerist]

Aug 19, 2019 12:56:11 GMT -6 amos said:

I saw someone post on reddit that they received an Armament through an egg of mystery. Have they been added to the log in or mystery egg pool? It seems early, maybe they were mistaken?

I don’t see this post on Reddit. Can you provide a link?

I’ve never heard of anyone receiving an event dragon from a mystery egg before the event takedown. I suppose it’s possible because the event is over, but since the dragons are still available in the bazaar, I would’ve thought their mystery egg availability wouldn’t occur until after the takedown.

[amos]

Aug 20, 2019 2:38:39 GMT -6 adlerist said:

Aug 19, 2019 12:56:11 GMT -6 amos said:

I saw someone post on reddit that they received an Armament through an egg of mystery. Have they been added to the log in or mystery egg pool? It seems early, maybe they were mistaken?

I don’t see this post on Reddit. Can you provide a link?

I’ve never heard of anyone receiving an event dragon from a mystery egg before the event takedown. I suppose it’s possible because the event is over, but since the dragons are still available in the bazaar, I would’ve thought their mystery egg availability wouldn’t occur until after the takedown.

I can’t find it now. It was a reply within a post.

A long time ago when mystery eggs were on the newish side, a few times the limited dragons were released to the mystery eggs while the dragon was available (probably a mistake or oversight). 

[Quil]

There is an important change in the newest file today:

They've added a new 'dde_ads_forpayers' variable. As we all know, ads have been turned off for people who spend money. The way it works is that you get moved into a higher 'tier' for your platform (ios, android, kindle, etc) when you make purchases and the highest tiers have ads turned off. Even if you become a 'nonpayer', you don't get ads in the higher tiers. Over time (45 days), you drop down a tier and get ads again. Some of you who stay in the lowest tiers may not lose ads until you make enough purchases to reach tier 3 or 4, which is why not everyone sees this problem. And some platforms have different rules than other platforms.

The dde_ads_forpayers overrides the ads settings in all the tiers, and turns on ads once again. Not only that, it appears in some cases to give you more ads, more opportunities to speed up breeds, etc. This would actually make sense to me, I always wondered why they hurt players who spend a small amount of cash, you end up losing more than you gain when you do it. They should be rewarding them.

I have no way to see if the dde_ads_forpayers is set or not, it's an event variable sent from the server when you login and not visible in the files. It's possible it's on now, or that they'll turn it on at a later time. Or it will sit there unused for years.

I have not made any current purchases in DV, and have been avoiding it for all the above reasons. Is there anyone who made a purchase in the last month and normally had their colosseum ad turned off, who now has the ad back on today? Or even the extra ad in the gem market? If they've started giving ads back for purchases, and even bonus ads, then I'll start considering making minor purchases in the game once again on a regular basis.

[greggerman]

Aug 26, 2019 11:48:57 GMT -6 Quil said:

I have not made any current purchases in DV, and have been avoiding it for all the above reasons. Is there anyone who made a purchase in the last month and normally had their colosseum ad turned off, who now has the ad back on today? Or even the extra ad in the gem market? If they've started giving ads back for purchases, and even bonus ads, then I'll start considering making minor purchases in the game once again on a regular basis.

I spent $9.99 back on 7/30.  My colosseum ad and the extra gem ad in the gem market were both turned off for a short while, but came back with the whole Tolzarpalooza thing.  I can see that I still have the Sponsor Gem ad available to me, but I won't know about the Colosseum ad until later tonight.  I imagine I'll have that too, but I can confirm later when I see it.

[Arkynos]

I bought 3 Runestones. My previous purchase before that was gems on the 13th of July. (Twin weekend!) I only usually see Tolzar in events. I have the market ad and the breeding hint ad available. Not certain about the Colosseum ad yet, because my Colosseum is finishing 2 hours before the reset currently. (Due to double dipping on triple flowers...)

[Quil]

Did you just buy three runestones? Keep in mind that the ads don't shut off after a purchase until the next day. Keep us posted tomorrow if it was just purchased!

[Arkynos]

I bought them on Saturday. Presumably that means that the ads should have been off today, per the previous rules?

(Apologies for the ambiguity in my previous post. I edited the timing in for the previous gem purchase as an afterthought but forgot to add it for the stones.)

[CesspitX]

Anything in the current event files listing the pedestal requirements of the other event dragons?
Kinda sucky that you need to keep ~3 of each pedestal to not be caught out (I sold off twin and rift versions of all non-basic hybrid eggs so I didn't run out of space)

Cesspit#5766

[AvidLurker]

Aug 26, 2019 11:48:57 GMT -6 Quil said:

There is an important change in the newest file today:

They've added a new 'dde_ads_forpayers' variable. As we all know, ads have been turned off for people who spend money. The way it works is that you get moved into a higher 'tier' for your platform (ios, android, kindle, etc) when you make purchases and the highest tiers have ads turned off. Even if you become a 'nonpayer', you don't get ads in the higher tiers. Over time (45 days), you drop down a tier and get ads again. Some of you who stay in the lowest tiers may not lose ads until you make enough purchases to reach tier 3 or 4, which is why not everyone sees this problem. And some platforms have different rules than other platforms.

The dde_ads_forpayers overrides the ads settings in all the tiers, and turns on ads once again. Not only that, it appears in some cases to give you more ads, more opportunities to speed up breeds, etc. This would actually make sense to me, I always wondered why they hurt players who spend a small amount of cash, you end up losing more than you gain when you do it. They should be rewarding them.

I have no way to see if the dde_ads_forpayers is set or not, it's an event variable sent from the server when you login and not visible in the files. It's possible it's on now, or that they'll turn it on at a later time. Or it will sit there unused for years.

I have not made any current purchases in DV, and have been avoiding it for all the above reasons. Is there anyone who made a purchase in the last month and normally had their colosseum ad turned off, who now has the ad back on today? Or even the extra ad in the gem market? If they've started giving ads back for purchases, and even bonus ads, then I'll start considering making minor purchases in the game once again on a regular basis.





Quil, I bought a gem deal after Tolzar had started but in the time between events ( I think it was 8/22/19) and now I see no market ads, no Tolzar, and no Collosseum, but I do still see the option to speed up a breed (which I almost never use).  I am bummed I am not able to get the extra flowers from the event for the visions....and the lost gems. Hope this helps your data collection.

[lisgie]

So, do we know the number of new dragons with this event? I am trying to budget my flowers and need to know if I can splurge on a Rigel pedestal. I put this here instead of the event thread because it didn’t say in the update and last event you said you could see placeholders for the new dragons.

[Arkynos]

Foresight via code-gazing (javamancy?) is a bit hit and miss. We had fragments that hinted at Bastion's existence from the start, but at Easter we only knew of the first 6 when the event launched.

For this event? We've got nothing you haven't seen. We're resorting to magic 8 balls and reading tea leaves. Even things that we know exist somewhere are giving us trouble. Like, we don't know the daily element rotation in advance: we've found the code that makes it work but there's nothing for the changeover with it, so that appears to be being applied from somewhere else. Maybe the upcoming dragons are there too, loaded and ready for future release? Maybe not. Maybe BFS knows we're looking and are holding off on putting them in because they don't want us leaking anything? Maybe not (and we won't unless things get confusing again, like the 'is Fury the 10th dragon' situation). Maybe they're just running behind on implementing the event dragons due to a bout of food poisoning from an office party? Hopefully not.

If I was a betting man, I'd say probably 5 dragons (as it's the most common event dragon number and I don't think we have the weeks left to reach 10) and maybe something non-dragon at the end. Your guess is as good as mine though. 🤷‍♂️

Edit: But as for your specific question, I'd get the pedestal. Rigel is such a pain to breed that not having to do so again is I think worth the 1000 flowers.

[Kiwichris]

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