Still mostly using my iPad (since I’m playing on my phone) to access the compendium. There is no hovering on an iPad that I’m aware of (of course I’m not very aware).
I’ll look on a PC before the next stupid question.
Still mostly using my iPad (since I’m playing on my phone) to access the compendium. There is no hovering on an iPad that I’m aware of (of course I’m not very aware).
I’ll look on a PC before the next stupid question.
There are no stupid questions. It is good to be reminded that viewing pages on an iPad is quite different from a PC and all the information isn't always accessible.
Thank you for the stupendous effort that went into bringing the Compendium to life. I refer to it at least several times a week. Following are three items for the Suggestion Box:
1. Is there a key or dictionary available for the abbreviations used for Habitats and Elements? I can figure out the abbreviations, but a dictionary of abbreviations would be nice to have in the Compendium for easy reference.
2. In the Breeding Sim, the List of Items under Weather provides every kind of DV Weather except ‘None’. For the sake of completeness and to prevent inadvertently setting an unwanted type of weather, ‘None’ should probably be included in the List of Items.
3. In the Breeding Sim, when breeding two dragons with three elements between them in the Rift, the result set includes most of the four element dragons available in the current Bandwagon event (Aurora and the 3 rainbows), but not Lightmare which is also an available four element dragon. If I remember correctly, Lightmare was not supposed to be in the Bandwagon event but was included by mistake. Is there any way to account for exceptions like this in the Compendium? This kind of thing can become a programmer’s nightmare because it falls outside of the program logic and data dictionaries. Just asking.
On the Dragonarium, you'll see a Category that lets you select dragons from the various in game Dragonarium categories. I've also added an 'All' (Single list of all dragons), 'Event' (List of event dragons - handy to see what's available), Hybrid (Lists all normal and golden hybrids today), and 'Filter'. Filter is a little different, it shows a filter selection list to the far right of the page. From there you can select dragons to see that meet specific categories. For example, you can select light and air under 'Must Have', and see all 53 dragons today that have both a light and air element when breeding. You can then click Moon and Dream under 'Include Any' and see the Dream and Moon dragons (either kind) that have light and air (hint, there are currently 14 of them). If no selections are clicked, then it ignores that filter. This can be extremely helpful when trying to find the best pairs of dragons to breed together with certain elements and Epic traits.
You can also use the search function and enter any part of a dragon name there. It will narrow down the search results to those that partially match. It does not care about upper or lower case. Finally, there is a sort option. Sort the dragons by name, breed chances, gold earned, times, and more.
Most of the data shown is self explanatory. If you see the Limited flag as 'Y', but it's a light green, it means it's a limited dragon but can currently be bred today. Likely an event dragon, current month gemstone, or something brought back temporarily. The elements and habitats are done in short hand, so A = Air, Rb = Rainbow, and so forth. You can see a list on the Runic Cave page if you need a reference.
When looking at breed data, there are a few dragons that change their odds if you own 1 or even 2+. For example Air dragon, you have a 100% chance of getting one with Fire+Water if you don't own one, but a 33% chance if you do. You'll see the number listed as 100% (33%) in that case. For cloning chances, you'll see numbers like 5% (30%). That means it's a 5% chance if you use one of that dragon with something else, and 30% chance if you use two of that same dragon to breed.
Occasionally you'll see a blank, especially for dragons like Hybrids. That means the chance is not defined and can be variable, and we work out the actual chances when doing the simulation. The same is true in cloning when you see a ?%. It's not defined and we use some default values in that case. We are constantly updating and evaluating those numbers to keep them as accurate as possible in the sims.
The Gold/Min (Gold per Minute) is how much a dragon will earn at level 1. I haven't added gems or etherium, but it can be added if there's enough interest.
One final tip on the Dragonarium: If you change categories and suddenly don't see any dragons, check if you're scrolled all the way up. If you were looking at a big category, were towards the bottom, and then pick a small category then you'll be scrolled way past the end of it! I'm working on a script to auto move you up when changing categories, but it had a few minor issues with the focus. If I get it working, it'll be in a later release.
All of this data was put together using numbers that we've discovered in the game, and with the tremendous help of the Dragonvale Community here we were able to determine how most of the mechanics work. All those years of collecting data paid off!
All of this data was put together using numbers that we've discovered in the game, and with the tremendous help of the Dragonvale Community here we were able to determine how most of the mechanics work. All those years of collecting data paid off!
oh, you cracked it! well done!
DV Sandbox + DV Compendium = YES!
I always imagined if you and Quil joined forces, the DV community could have a mega online DV breeding simulator that would take this game to the next level. I think players would be more interested in DV; they’d stick around longer; and they’d support DV, not only with dedicated play but also their wallets.
Even if it never happens and it’s all just a pipe dream, it’s a pretty good one.
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The first step is follow the link above and open the Compendium (a Google Sheets link). Then you'll need to make your own copy to use. To make a copy of the sheet, you can open it in a browser window and select 'File' -> 'Make a Copy'. If you're using the Google mobile App version of Sheets, hit the back arrow top left, select the '...' option next to Dragonvale Compendium, and select 'Make a copy'. You can choose a new name, or keep it the same, or add your game name to it so you can tell it apart from the original. It may take a moment, and when using the browser you may see a yellow warning that states: "Apps Script file and functionality will also be copied, please review the attached script". Feel free to click DV Scripts and look at the scripts, but they only impact the current document and they're only used for the Runic Cave sheet to keep it up to date.
Once you have a copy, you're good to go. Most of the tabs and options are self explanatory. You'll see fields in a light orange/yellow, these are cells that you can use to enter data. If you try to edit other cells, you'll get a warning that you're trying to edit a part of the sheet that shouldn't be edited. It will let you do it if you click 'Ok', so please cancel. If you do mess up the sheet and change things that you can't fix, you can always delete the sheet and get a new copy of the original!
The data feeding the page is imported into the sheet from our Master sheet. That's how it'll stay up to date with both new dragons and changes to existing dragons. We may be a little slow updating with new dragon releases, so it might be hours (but hopefully not!) before you see them, but I'm working on a way to even remove that bottleneck soon. You'll also see a generic blank egg for new dragons, until I get the time to grab a good screenshot to add to the data. That will hopefully be quick too.
Occasionally I'll need to fix bugs with the sheet, or I will be adding new features. When that happens, I'll post here. You'll need to get a new copy of the sheet to get these updates and fixes. I'll do my best to ensure what you already have continues to work until you get an update, but if something is really going to break I'll post here too.
In v1.15, in the Dragonarium set to Compendium, sorting by Incubation is actually sorting by Combo. Sorting by Gold/Min sorts correctly, but in descending order instead of ascending order. The other Sort possibilities I checked all sort in ascending order (except Incubation as noted above).
In v1.15, in the Dragonarium set to Compendium, sorting by Incubation is actually sorting by Combo. Sorting by Gold/Min sorts correctly, but in descending order instead of ascending order. The other Sort possibilities I checked all sort in ascending order (except Incubation as noted above).
Wow, eagle eye! 🦅
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In v1.15, in the Dragonarium set to Compendium, sorting by Incubation is actually sorting by Combo. Sorting by Gold/Min sorts correctly, but in descending order instead of ascending order. The other Sort possibilities I checked all sort in ascending order (except Incubation as noted above).
The Breeding Sim tab has quite a few options. You can choose Dragon 1 and 2 to breed, and you'll see the various elements they provide underneath.
There are four options that can impact the result sets, including chances for various dragons. First there is a BeB option which just turns everything on, regardless of whether you can breed it or not. Next is the cave. There are dragons that can only be bred in the rift, others that can only be bred in social, and most dragons have different cloning chances when using each of the different caves.
There are also options for weather and time of day. It only impacts a few dragons, but it's useful to see more exact results that would mimic what you see in game. Set it to night, and Moon is available from cold and lightning. Switch it to day, and Moon is gone and replaced by Sun. An option that may not be as clear is 'Own All', with a Yes or No selection. This only impacts dragons that change their odds based on owning them or not, there are somewhere around 50 if I recall correctly. With the previous Air dragon example, set it to Yes and you'll see Air at 33%, set to No and it'll be close to 100 with Fire+Water.
There is an option for sorting results (Name, Chance, or Time - low to high or high to low), and rows lets you change how many rows are displayed in each column. You may want more or less depending on the size of your screen and windows. Finally there's a Target selection. You don't have to select this, but it will show you information on that dragon: breeding combo and odds and it will highlight the dragon in the results. You'll also see a message under target if the odds for dragons are lowered because of too many results, and it will tell you by what percent (.00 to 1) they're lowered. You want it as close to 1 as possible, though sometimes combos are fixed and you can't help but have lower odds.
Some options will not allow certain dragons to be chosen. For example, pick the Rift cave and you can't use a plain plant dragon. These chance numbers are estimates. We don't have the exact numbers, and some details are still not fully known. This is the best guess as of today, and should be very close to accurate. It also doesn't take into account bonuses for using the Epic breeding cave, or bonuses for various levels in dragons. As we learn more of those numbers, we can add that functionality.
This is awesome. There is one thing I am a bit confused with on the best way to get a second dragon. For instance, a Chimmit says: "Chimmit(WLlD): water+dark+lightning+light: 3% base, S:10% (20%), N:1% (30%), R:1% (30%)" So, if I have one chimmit, breeding it with a dark would give me a 1% chance of getting a second where breeding Shadow + Current would give me a 3% chance (well, 2.645%) But, when I choose Cmimmit + Dark, it says I have a 3.673% chance. Am I understanding something here?
This is awesome. There is one thing I am a bit confused with on the best way to get a second dragon. For instance, a Chimmit says: "Chimmit(WLlD): water+dark+lightning+light: 3% base, S:10% (20%), N:1% (30%), R:1% (30%)" So, if I have one chimmit, breeding it with a dark would give me a 1% chance of getting a second where breeding Shadow + Current would give me a 3% chance (well, 2.645%) But, when I choose Cmimmit + Dark, it says I have a 3.673% chance. Am I understanding something here?
When you breed Shadow + Current, you get the 3% chance for a breed (slightly lower with the result set).
The 1% is the chance to copy Chimmit if it's one of the two parents. But Chimmit is one of those dragons that has all of the elements needed for its very own breeding combo too. Chimmit + anything can breed a Chimmit, but can also parent copy Chimmit too. There's two ways to get it with that combination, so it's the 2.6% breed and 1% parent copy for a total of roughly 3.6%.
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Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but after a browse through titles.... is there a way to look up breed times in the dragonarium inside the game, for dragons you don’t have? All I get is, sorry you must breed this dragon, or similar. If this info is NOT there... why in the Vale not? Ta!
Last Edit: Aug 10, 2022 23:47:36 GMT -6 by Kiwichris
Sorry if this is the wrong thread, but after a browse through titles.... is there a way to look up breed times in the dragonarium inside the game, for dragons you don’t have? All I get is, sorry you must breed this dragon, or similar. If this info is NOT there... why in the Vale not? Ta!
It's not there and given how readily available those times are outside the game, I believe it should be.
Need some help here. I cannot work the link that was posted previously my tablet is being mean, on which dragons will give the best chance of getting a specific one. My dragon I’m working on in the rift is eldrich. Currently I’m using arctic and flower for one park and arctic and paper for the other. The sandbox gives 0.1% chance to breed. Are there any better options on this?
On a positive note, my second park has all the new event dragons and my main park only needs the dortal.
Last Edit: Sept 20, 2022 8:51:18 GMT -6 by woffy2k
Need some help here. I cannot work the link that was posted previously my tablet is being mean, on which dragons will give the best chance of getting a specific one. My dragon I’m working on in the rift is eldrich. Currently I’m using arctic and flower for one park and arctic and paper for the other. The sandbox gives 0.1% chance to breed. Are there any better options on this?
On a positive note, my second park has all the new event dragons and my main park only needs the dortal.
Quil regularly updates the compendium and changes the link on the first post of this thread. Make sure you have the latest version installed - V1.17.
Eldritch has particulary low odds for breeding 0.2%. As long as you are using the necessary elements to breed it (plant + fire + earth + cold) and not using any extra element, no dragon is better than any other for breeding. Use the highest level dragons that you have that include these elements. 🐨🐨🐨🐨🐨🐨
That is very positive already having all the new event dragons in one park and only missing one in your main park. I wish I was doing that well. I have one park with one and the other with two new event dragons. 😊
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I have a couple for the Compendium Suggestion Box.
1. Some of the evolve dragons come with an extensive set of requirements. Can this information be incorporated into the Compendium? One implementation would involve adding another visible sheet called Addendum or Extra Info and putting the evolve requirements in this sheet. This extra information could perhaps be cross-referenced to the Dragonarium sheet by including a notation in the Dragonarium Combo column to see the Addendum. For example, the Bloatato Combo entry might say “Evolve from Sprout (see Addendum)” to indicate there is more to evolving a Bloatato dragon that simply first acquiring a Sprout dragon.
2. Are all the dragons in DV now reliably available on a fixed schedule of events and dragons weeks? If yes, then could this information eventually be incorporated into the Compendium? My reason for asking is that after acquiring every dragon and pedestal in the game I feel a little bit like I am held hostage because I don’t want to miss the release of any new dragon if that new dragon won’t be available for another year or more. It would probably help if the dragon availability information could be consulted in case I want to skip an event and catch up later. I’m not sure how anyone else feels about this issue.
Thanks again, Quil, for the Compendium. It is a fantastic resource that I consult frequently.
I have a couple for the Compendium Suggestion Box.
1. Some of the evolve dragons come with an extensive set of requirements. Can this information be incorporated into the Compendium? One implementation would involve adding another visible sheet called Addendum or Extra Info and putting the evolve requirements in this sheet. This extra information could perhaps be cross-referenced to the Dragonarium sheet by including a notation in the Dragonarium Combo column to see the Addendum. For example, the Bloatato Combo entry might say “Evolve from Sprout (see Addendum)” to indicate there is more to evolving a Bloatato dragon that simply first acquiring a Sprout dragon.
2. Are all the dragons in DV now reliably available on a fixed schedule of events and dragons weeks? If yes, then could this information eventually be incorporated into the Compendium? My reason for asking is that after acquiring every dragon and pedestal in the game I feel a little bit like I am held hostage because I don’t want to miss the release of any new dragon if that new dragon won’t be available for another year or more. It would probably help if the dragon availability information could be consulted in case I want to skip an event and catch up later. I’m not sure how anyone else feels about this issue.
Thanks again, Quil , for the Compendium. It is a fantastic resource that I consult frequently.
Regarding question #2: Some dragons are pretty much fixed for an event, like Bone will always be in the Halloween event. But for dragons that are not based on a holiday, there’s no guarantee it will always show. For example, you may have noticed with the current Garden Noms event, there’s a number of dragons in the market that have never been associated with Om of Noms. So there’s no guarantee all the same content will return each year.
The Dragonarium has some event sections, like Spooky and Camping, and Quil has that in the Compendium. Those dragons will show in their event.
For Dragon’s Week, this is still a new concept for Deca. We’re working on the content. Nothing is fixed. The schedule isn’t fixed, and neither are the dragons. I’m not sure if it will ever be fixed. So it might be difficult for Quil to add this.
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