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love it every time this happens... i imagine its a tipsy koala dancing on a keyboard somewhere.
No wonder the koalas in my park appear to be on vacation. They all got drunk in our whine lounge then fell into the pool in one of my Paradise habitats. If they keep this up, there won't be any room for Spinky in there.
But on a more serious note, the Pisceian dragon is absolutely gorgeous and I really want to add one to my collection. But dang, that price tag is expensive. If I have to buy one, there goes almost all of my event currency. I really want one because my mother was a Pisces, and I know she would love this dragon if she were here to see it. If nothing else, I will at least buy the pedestal and place it in her memorial on my island, right between the two bubbling fountains. It's beautiful and I know it would make her very happy.
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We share our physical lives with those in spirit. For life, like love, never dies. Love knows no limits, not even death.
I’m almost afraid to tell my story. I must have a hoard of Koalas in my park.
I bred a gravity within the first couple of days.
Also early in the week, I finaly, after trying and tying and trying and trying and… well let’s just say every event since I returned to the game and it’s been available, I bred a Exandrew.
I thought that, being an Aries myself, the Ariesian might grace my park easily. Still no Ariesian.
And then there’s today. I did not yet have Omen the rift, and I didn’t have Apocalypse. So after collecting tried for Apocalypse and rift one FIRST TRY!!! Then on to Omen and rifted one FIRST TRY!!! Omen and Geode, no not on the first try. Bred to the 2K level and ran out of Etherium. Collected again after work and first breed after that second collection, Rifted Pisceian!!! Sent it through to my park fed it and bred with Noodlescat’s Pisceian and got a 24 hour timer. Just now, couldn’t wait and sped up the breed. Regular Pisceian! Sorry it wasn’t a twin. Went back to the rift, third collection, bred another. On it’s way through for my pedestal.
I am happy to share 🐨🐨🐨🐨🐨. Just hope they don’t desert me for the entire rest of the event. Pisceian blue hearted. Hope for a twin. I am now trying for Cancian.
And if Ariesian decides to be stubborn, I may have to visit the 🍷lounge later in the event. But I would feel too guilty this soon so will go happily off and enjoy gravity and Pisceian!😊
This might just be my longest post since joining the forum, which is amazing by the way!
Congrats! I'm glad some people trying at least get the dragons with chances so low
Good. I got the Pisceian dragon rifted first attempt in my main park using the current dragon. Continue good news. Both parks have the necessary rifted dragons for this event
Funny (well now it is). That sea shanty dragon I FINALLY got! Here’s where it gets a bit funny…..it came in as a free egg from the daily login and that was the last dragon I didn’t have 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
love it every time this happens... i imagine its a tipsy koala dancing on a keyboard somewhere.
No wonder the koalas in my park appear to be on vacation. They all got drunk in our whine lounge then fell into the pool in one of my Paradise habitats. If they keep this up, there won't be any room for Spinky in there.
But on a more serious note, the Pisceian dragon is absolutely gorgeous and I really want to add one to my collection. But dang, that price tag is expensive. If I have to buy one, there goes almost all of my event currency. I really want one because my mother was a Pisces, and I know she would love this dragon if she were here to see it. If nothing else, I will at least buy the pedestal and place it in her memorial on my island, right between the two bubbling fountains. It's beautiful and I know it would make her very happy.
I found the drunken koala. Spruced him up a bit with some koala caffeine, and he should be good by Monday with a fix for the glitched Gravity egg.
While I was in the neighbourhood, I visited the memorial to your mum. It is extremely lovely ❤️💞❤️. She must’ve enjoyed hot cocoa too 💝. I hope you’re able to breed the Pisceian dragon; it’s elegant and ethereal like water. And the Pisceian pedestal will be right at home among the bubbly fountains and chocolate dreams.
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Not the argument I'd make here, but okay. DV's strongest point is, that you can get 90% of the rewards by investing a lot of time.
It's weakest point is also that it's difficult to keep players interested that are not willing to go 120%. Those attributes are both pretty unusual as a phone games go.
It's more what I've learned to expect from MMORPGs. I would forgive it all if it weren't for the time consuming and outdated mechanics. As it is, if this wasn't a park I'd been nursing since long before light and dark dragons were implemented, I would have long, long deleted this app. I am generally not a f2p player, but dragonvale makes it very difficult to make spending money feel rewarding.
So, I could buy my season pass... but none of these dragons will even have 5% the utility of the real, rifted deal. Make all these dragons in the "did you miss" packs rifted? /that/ could actually appeal. Still probably too expensive, though, for most people. Still would by pass the worst sin among player purchases: make your whales feel bad for having to buy something. It should feel good. Like they actually saved so much time! But no, they're not really any worse off than someone who skipped the event
The argument I will make is that it’s all about the money. Every lucrative game maker in the app stores runs a sophisticated data mining operation to determine who is willing to spend real money to further their game play. In DragonVale the leverage is dragon breeding and I will guess that Deca uses an algorithm that sets breeding chances park by park based on who will spend money to get or keep their Dragonarium smoking. The extortion has been particularly egregious of late and likely explains why I have not been able to breed or clone any Zodiac dragons as of event day 11 and why I am unable to breed ANYTHING in the Rift that might serve as a parent to an event dragon - like Tidal, Manomano, Dusk, or Omen. It removes the breeding element from my game entirely. Fortunately, DragonVale has other attractions beyond breeding to keep me engaged for now. And I would love to be proven wrong about all of this.
No wonder the koalas in my park appear to be on vacation. They all got drunk in our whine lounge then fell into the pool in one of my Paradise habitats. If they keep this up, there won't be any room for Spinky in there.
But on a more serious note, the Pisceian dragon is absolutely gorgeous and I really want to add one to my collection. But dang, that price tag is expensive. If I have to buy one, there goes almost all of my event currency. I really want one because my mother was a Pisces, and I know she would love this dragon if she were here to see it. If nothing else, I will at least buy the pedestal and place it in her memorial on my island, right between the two bubbling fountains. It's beautiful and I know it would make her very happy.
I found the drunken koala. Spruced him up a bit with some koala caffeine, and he should be good by Monday with a fix for the glitched Gravity egg.
While I was in the neighbourhood, I visited the memorial to your mum. It is extremely lovely ❤️💞❤️. She must’ve enjoyed hot cocoa too 💝. I hope you’re able to breed the Pisceian dragon; it’s elegant and ethereal like water. And the Pisceian pedestal will be right at home among the bubbly fountains and chocolate dreams.
I’m sure we all appreciate the gravity of the situation!
Good. I got the Pisceian dragon rifted first attempt in my main park using the current dragon. Continue good news. Both parks have the necessary rifted dragons for this event
Funny (well now it is). That sea shanty dragon I FINALLY got! Here’s where it gets a bit funny…..it came in as a free egg from the daily login and that was the last dragon I didn’t have 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
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🔥 CONGRATULATIONS on your RED FIRE! 🔥
Enormous congratulations, Woffy2k!! The Daily Rewards mystery eggs are set up a little differently than the ones you purchase in the Rift Market. If your next login reward is an Epic Egg of Mystery, you will be awarded an epic you do not own. If you own all the epic dragons, the game will randomly select an epic dragon, so it’ll be a twin, unless you have the twin, then it’ll be a traited-twin. It’s like this for all the different mystery egg types (Galaxy, Rare, Epic, Gemstone / Crystalline). Sometimes players use this to their advantage if they’re not able to breed a dragon in an event or cannot afford to buy it, and the mystery egg for the dragon’s type will arrive shortly after the event ends (when the new event dragons are in the mystery egg pool).
I’m so thrilled you’ve had such great success breeding Pisceian and acquiring Sea Shanty for a complete Dragonarium! That is quite an achievement!!
It is a bright day in the Vale! 🔥🌟🔥
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Not the argument I'd make here, but okay. DV's strongest point is, that you can get 90% of the rewards by investing a lot of time.
It's weakest point is also that it's difficult to keep players interested that are not willing to go 120%. Those attributes are both pretty unusual as a phone games go.
It's more what I've learned to expect from MMORPGs. I would forgive it all if it weren't for the time consuming and outdated mechanics. As it is, if this wasn't a park I'd been nursing since long before light and dark dragons were implemented, I would have long, long deleted this app. I am generally not a f2p player, but dragonvale makes it very difficult to make spending money feel rewarding.
So, I could buy my season pass... but none of these dragons will even have 5% the utility of the real, rifted deal. Make all these dragons in the "did you miss" packs rifted? /that/ could actually appeal. Still probably too expensive, though, for most people. Still would by pass the worst sin among player purchases: make your whales feel bad for having to buy something. It should feel good. Like they actually saved so much time! But no, they're not really any worse off than someone who skipped the event
The argument I will make is that it’s all about the money. Every lucrative game maker in the app stores runs a sophisticated data mining operation to determine who is willing to spend real money to further their game play. In DragonVale the leverage is dragon breeding and I will guess that Deca uses an algorithm that sets breeding chances park by park based on who will spend money to get or keep their Dragonarium smoking. The extortion has been particularly egregious of late and likely explains why I have not been able to breed or clone any Zodiac dragons as of event day 11 and why I am unable to breed ANYTHING in the Rift that might serve as a parent to an event dragon - like Tidal, Manomano, Dusk, or Omen. It removes the breeding element from my game entirely. Fortunately, DragonVale has other attractions beyond breeding to keep me engaged for now. And I would love to be proven wrong about all of this.
Backflip and Deca are not that diabolical. I do not believe they keep two or three sets of breeding percentages for the dragons (kinda mafia style). We have seen no evidence of this.
The reason why players are having little success cloning the new Zodiac dragons in the co-op is because the single-parent cloning percentage at the co-op is 1% (target Zodiac dragon + another dragon). You either have to get really lucky or use a lot of gems to clone a 4-10 element dragon at 1%. The breeding percentage (using the breeding hint) is better at 3.5%, but Pisceian is the first Zodiac we’ve been able to breed.
I spend money on this game every single time the RBCs are released. I believe in supporting DV, especially the RBCs, so they’ll make frequent appearances. In a year, with the RBCs showing in two events, that’s 50 bucks to Deca. My secondary park spends no money and certainly does not have better luck breeding than my primary park.
I can ask Deca if they change the percentages for paying players, if that’ll help. But personally, I think the low cloning percentages are why it’s so difficult to clone the dragons. That will affect all players.
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Not the argument I'd make here, but okay. DV's strongest point is, that you can get 90% of the rewards by investing a lot of time.
It's weakest point is also that it's difficult to keep players interested that are not willing to go 120%. Those attributes are both pretty unusual as a phone games go.
It's more what I've learned to expect from MMORPGs. I would forgive it all if it weren't for the time consuming and outdated mechanics. As it is, if this wasn't a park I'd been nursing since long before light and dark dragons were implemented, I would have long, long deleted this app. I am generally not a f2p player, but dragonvale makes it very difficult to make spending money feel rewarding.
So, I could buy my season pass... but none of these dragons will even have 5% the utility of the real, rifted deal. Make all these dragons in the "did you miss" packs rifted? /that/ could actually appeal. Still probably too expensive, though, for most people. Still would by pass the worst sin among player purchases: make your whales feel bad for having to buy something. It should feel good. Like they actually saved so much time! But no, they're not really any worse off than someone who skipped the event
The argument I will make is that it’s all about the money. Every lucrative game maker in the app stores runs a sophisticated data mining operation to determine who is willing to spend real money to further their game play. In DragonVale the leverage is dragon breeding and I will guess that Deca uses an algorithm that sets breeding chances park by park based on who will spend money to get or keep their Dragonarium smoking. The extortion has been particularly egregious of late and likely explains why I have not been able to breed or clone any Zodiac dragons as of event day 11 and why I am unable to breed ANYTHING in the Rift that might serve as a parent to an event dragon - like Tidal, Manomano, Dusk, or Omen. It removes the breeding element from my game entirely. Fortunately, DragonVale has other attractions beyond breeding to keep me engaged for now. And I would love to be proven wrong about all of this.
On purely experience and observation grounds, I tend to agree. I don’t have spare cash to donate to the game developers except rarely, maybe once a year; I have never had the luck that others who do spend cash report having, in event dragons, (or others...took me a year to breed Beardy lol), and it is those same groups who regularly, event after event (just read the posts) have this good fortune. I’ve been trying every day, sped up with gems, since before this event, to breed the latest snoflake... zip. Having said that, being rewarded with better odds for contributing to bread and jam on the table for developers... who can really argue? This was a line of argument since before I took a break, and it continues. it is what it is...
The argument I will make is that it’s all about the money. Every lucrative game maker in the app stores runs a sophisticated data mining operation to determine who is willing to spend real money to further their game play. In DragonVale the leverage is dragon breeding and I will guess that Deca uses an algorithm that sets breeding chances park by park based on who will spend money to get or keep their Dragonarium smoking. The extortion has been particularly egregious of late and likely explains why I have not been able to breed or clone any Zodiac dragons as of event day 11 and why I am unable to breed ANYTHING in the Rift that might serve as a parent to an event dragon - like Tidal, Manomano, Dusk, or Omen. It removes the breeding element from my game entirely. Fortunately, DragonVale has other attractions beyond breeding to keep me engaged for now. And I would love to be proven wrong about all of this.
On purely experience and observation grounds, I tend to agree. I don’t have spare cash to donate to the game developers except rarely, maybe once a year; I have never had the luck that others who do spend cash report having, in event dragons, (or others...took me a year to breed Beardy lol), and it is those same groups who regularly, event after event (just read the posts) have this good fortune. I’ve been trying every day, sped up with gems, since before this event, to breed the latest snoflake... zip. Having said that, being rewarded with better odds for contributing to bread and jam on the table for developers... who can really argue? This was a line of argument since before I took a break, and it continues. it is what it is...
I believe Obijuan is claiming the opposite. Players who spend money on the game are given poorer breeding odds than those who don’t spend money. The idea being that players who are willing to spend will continue to buy dragons if they can’t breed it. However, there is no evidence of this anywhere, so keep in mind, it’s pure speculation.
Using the Forum or any other social platform to gauge how lucky players are is really misleading, because players typically post their successes. Not a lot of people are going to post to say they bred another Mud dragon. So it can look like many players, or the same players, are having luck breeding the new dragons, and it makes those who aren’t having luck feel like they’re particularly unlucky.
We’re such a small fraction of the playerbase, and only the ones who have something to report are posting, which takes our small fraction to a sliver. It can really skew the results if they’re taken out of perspective.
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I've always argued that one shouldn't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by statistics. There's going to be someone somewhere that is inordinately lucky at dragon breeding, and conversely there will be someone who is inordinately unlucky. That's just the nature of statistics. The chances of you breeding the dragon are the same on the 1st attempt as the 1000th.
Regarding various anecdotes, sometimes these can be explained by the actual base odds of the dragons themselves (the rarer Snowflakes being a great example of just terrible garbage odds), other times it is combo overload depressing the odds (see Chromacorn, or literally anything else with a 10 element contributing parent). And other times it's just plain bad luck.
As for conspiracy theories about payment tipping the scales: I don't buy them (in either direction). It was a lifetime ago now, but for a while I held the esteemed position of interim datafile guy, and by the end of that time (sorry again to the other mods for disappearing) I knew enough about the file to know that if such multipliers were being applied then there ought to be something defined for it in there. The only thing close that I could find was the switch that turned Tolzar off if you'd made a purchase.
It's also worth remembering that Dragonvale is: a) an old game (at least for the mobile space) and was made before the big data practices were ubiquitous and b) wasn't lucrative enough for Hasbro to not shutter Backflip; so I wouldn't take what any other app does into particular consideration.
I've always argued that one shouldn't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by statistics. There's going to be someone somewhere that is inordinately lucky at dragon breeding, and conversely there will be someone who is inordinately unlucky. That's just the nature of statistics. The chances of you breeding the dragon are the same on the 1st attempt as the 1000th.
Regarding various anecdotes, sometimes these can be explained by the actual base odds of the dragons themselves (the rarer Snowflakes being a great example of just terrible garbage odds), other times it is combo overload depressing the odds (see Chromacorn, or literally anything else with a 10 element contributing parent). And other times it's just plain bad luck.
As for conspiracy theories about payment tipping the scales: I don't buy them (in either direction). It was a lifetime ago now, but for a while I held the esteemed position of interim datafile guy, and by the end of that time (sorry again to the other mods for disappearing) I knew enough about the file to know that if such multipliers were being applied then there ought to be something defined for it in there. The only thing close that I could find was the switch that turned Tolzar off if you'd made a purchase.
It's also worth remembering that Dragonvale is: a) an old game (at least for the mobile space) and was made before the big data practices were ubiquitous and b) wasn't lucrative enough for Hasbro to not shutter Backflip; so I wouldn't take what any other app does into particular consideration.
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Now you’re not allowed to leave again!
This is how we lure you in, with conspiracy theories. Then you post. And you’re stuck here forever! It’s our cunning plan!
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On purely experience and observation grounds, I tend to agree. I don’t have spare cash to donate to the game developers except rarely, maybe once a year; I have never had the luck that others who do spend cash report having, in event dragons, (or others...took me a year to breed Beardy lol), and it is those same groups who regularly, event after event (just read the posts) have this good fortune. I’ve been trying every day, sped up with gems, since before this event, to breed the latest snoflake... zip. Having said that, being rewarded with better odds for contributing to bread and jam on the table for developers... who can really argue? This was a line of argument since before I took a break, and it continues. it is what it is...
I believe Obijuan is claiming the opposite. Players who spend money on the game are given poorer breeding odds than those who don’t spend money. The idea being that players who are willing to spend will continue to buy dragons if they can’t breed it. However, there is no evidence of this anywhere, so keep in mind, it’s pure speculation.
Using the Forum or any other social platform to gauge how lucky players are is really misleading, because players typically post their successes. Not a lot of people are going to post to say they bred another Mud dragon. So it can look like many players, or the same players, are having luck breeding the new dragons, and it makes those who aren’t having luck feel like they’re particularly unlucky.
We’re such a small fraction of the playerbase, and only the ones who have something to report are posting, which takes our small fraction to a sliver. It can really skew the results if they’re taken out of perspective.
I haven’t spent any money since the early days of Backflip. I have a full dragonarium (except for the current event! ) I always seem to be able to breed a couple of event dragons and gain enough event currency to buy the others plus any new decorations, and sometimes have enough to buy extra habitats (oh for more islands to put them in!). I don’t always have the rift dragons required to get the limited time dragons, I am trying to build my rift dragon collection to help with this. I do believe this is a game of chance, based on the breeding odds, and as they say, everything is breedable given enough time and patience 😂😂 @alderist’ s point of being a very small percentage of results, good or bad, is very pertinent, I hardly ever post about my breeding successes unless something extraordinary happens, which it did this week. Keep on trying, you will get there eventually 😁🤪 Koalas to everyone
Not the argument I'd make here, but okay. DV's strongest point is, that you can get 90% of the rewards by investing a lot of time.
It's weakest point is also that it's difficult to keep players interested that are not willing to go 120%. Those attributes are both pretty unusual as a phone games go.
It's more what I've learned to expect from MMORPGs. I would forgive it all if it weren't for the time consuming and outdated mechanics. As it is, if this wasn't a park I'd been nursing since long before light and dark dragons were implemented, I would have long, long deleted this app. I am generally not a f2p player, but dragonvale makes it very difficult to make spending money feel rewarding.
So, I could buy my season pass... but none of these dragons will even have 5% the utility of the real, rifted deal. Make all these dragons in the "did you miss" packs rifted? /that/ could actually appeal. Still probably too expensive, though, for most people. Still would by pass the worst sin among player purchases: make your whales feel bad for having to buy something. It should feel good. Like they actually saved so much time! But no, they're not really any worse off than someone who skipped the event
The argument I will make is that it’s all about the money. Every lucrative game maker in the app stores runs a sophisticated data mining operation to determine who is willing to spend real money to further their game play. In DragonVale the leverage is dragon breeding and I will guess that Deca uses an algorithm that sets breeding chances park by park based on who will spend money to get or keep their Dragonarium smoking. The extortion has been particularly egregious of late and likely explains why I have not been able to breed or clone any Zodiac dragons as of event day 11 and why I am unable to breed ANYTHING in the Rift that might serve as a parent to an event dragon - like Tidal, Manomano, Dusk, or Omen. It removes the breeding element from my game entirely. Fortunately, DragonVale has other attractions beyond breeding to keep me engaged for now. And I would love to be proven wrong about all of this.
I spend money on the game, and my niece and other family members don’t. There doesn’t seem to be any consistent breeding bonus. Sometimes I’m luckier, sometimes they’re luckier.
Having another set of breeding percentages for paying players seems like it’d overcomplicate the game and it wouldn’t be worth it. Why give players who don’t pay easier odds? They’re just going to continue to not pay and get all the dragons. There would be no motivation for them to ever spend.
I agree with adlerist and arkynos. The problem seems to be the cloning percentage is too low and maybe the breeding percentage is too low if players are having trouble breeding Pisceian. It’s too early to tell since it’s only been available for a couple days.
As far as Manomano, Tidal, Dusk, and Omen, those are all old BFS dragons. BFS set their breeding odds, and DECA has made their dragons’ odds higher because players complained. Since DECA isn’t going to change BFS’s dragons, we just have to try our best to breed them or claim them at the Runic Caves. We can also be glad that DECA has listened to players and isn’t setting all their dragons with the same low odds.
On our Rate a Dragon feedback, if players are having difficulty cloning the zodiac dragons, they should let DECA know so they’re aware of the problem. Then in the future they might raise the cloning percentages.
I don't know if I'm adding to the conspiracy theory or debunking it. 😉 The koalas brought two Pisceian dragons - one in the Island and one in the Cave. It may be less work for the koalas to bring the Pisceian dragons in two by two before moving on to the next park. Or maybe these were extra generous koalas. 😂
This is a long post. You might want to skip it if you are just looking for dragon treats.
First off, thank you, Arkynos , for your post and for the time you spent keeping DragonVale up and running. I am a relative newcomer to these parts but have quickly assumed my usual role of being a burr under someone else’s saddle.
I applaud Deca’s efforts to keep DragonVale going. Many of the dragons, pedestals, and decorations are masterpieces. But the breeding “fabric” of the game has deteriorated or broken down completely. It never used to be this difficult to breed a dragon, even with success rates of one or two percent. At best the game feels broken. At worst there is a whiff of exploitation. Breeding has always had an element of frustration attached to it, but a little bit of patience always sufficed to breed all of the dragons. Now, breeding ranges from difficult to almost impossible. I am lucky enough to have a little bit of disposable income and spend a minimum of $25 per event, mostly to get around the awful breeding experience.
Following is a sampling of posts from the recently concluded Pirates in Paradise II event:
“Ok this is getting insane DECA. 4 weeks in trying to get the djinni dragon rifted up to 15k etherium and nothing. 4 WEEKS!!! Burned through over 3k gems in speed breeding for the curse AND the corsair (I believe I finally bred Corsair on the EBI) and now I can’t get the Manomano dragon rifted?!?! I’ve spent the entire time the crawler dragon has been available trying IN BOTH PARKS to get the Manomano dragon. This is absolute fudge!!!🤬🤬🤬🤬 I’ve never had such an issue trying to get one, just one rifted dragon. I think I would have an easier trying to get the chromocorn dragon naturally without using one as a parent.”
“Rift breeding has become extremely frustrating. I have three parks on two devices and although I generally have success quite quickly on one park, the other two struggle. One in particular has absolutely no success and just throws the same failure up time and time again, or cycles through the same three failures again and again. This event I have given up on breeding Alure in two parks and Manomano in my least successful park. I tried Aperture and Ruin then Aperture and Void and nothing. I hardly ever have success in the breeding caves other than the Coop (eternal thanks to Adlerist and Amos). I have said before, the game was much better when there was longer between events and we could spend time breeding returning dragons. As it is, returning dragons don’t even get a look in, because I am focussed on event dragons, and returning dragons don’t seem to include dragons from recent past events (say from the previous year or two). “
“My suspicion about a problem with breeding a traited Tidal dragon is rooted in the breeding statistics listed in the Compendium. There are 34 possible Rift outcomes from breeding Quake+Abyss. In the Compendium, Tidal comes in at number 29 with a 2 percent chance of success. Out of the many dozens of attempts since the beginning of this event I have gotten at least one breeding miss (and usually many more) of every dragon on that list except Tidal and two Rift exclusives. I have gotten at least one of every dragon below Tidal on the list that has a lower breeding percentage. What is wrong with this picture? Is it just bad luck? Or is something else going on here? Any plausible explanations out there?”
If you look through the posts on the Previous Events thread of this forum you will find quite a few posts from frustrated players having problems breeding the dragons. DragonVale breeding never used to be this difficult or this aggravating. And the problems have little to do with statistics and a lot to do with an inadequate dragon breeding algorithm.
A few days ago I made ten attempts at a Dusk dragon in the Rift with Level 20 Sun and Moon dragons and the required night time. According to the Compendium there are currently thirteen possible breeding outcomes for Sun and Moon at night beginning with Hail (29.75%), Storm (29.75%), and Moon (13%). My results were four Storm dragons in a row, then four Hail dragons in a row, then two Moon dragons. The statistical odds of randomly getting this set of results is barely north of Absolute Zero. There is no statistical random distribution. None at all. At best, this appears to be a simplistic algorithm working its way through the breeding result set for Sun and Moon ordered by the Odds percentage in descending order. I should probably do further tests if I have enough Etherium to see if it is possible to “game” the system with this knowledge. I hope not. I can accept periods of breeding Koala and bad luck, but not consistently long periods of bad luck because the breeding mechanism is faulty, broken, or manipulated. And I’m old enough to believe that in today’s world, malice is possible in every corner of the public Internet space.
One obvious solution to my frustration is to drop DragonVale entirely and move on to something else. I can’t do that yet. I have been playing DragonVale for too long. Decorating my park helped get me through my parents last, extended, and heartbreaking illnesses. There is an emotional attachment to the game that is not easy to sever. I suspect this is true for many players.
DragonVale is an old game based on mature technology. If it is to continue and flourish, especially as an older game, the experience for players needs to be as polished and satisfying as the dragons and decos - particularly the breeding aspect. According to a business news brief from several years ago, Backflip was already running the back-end on a thoroughly modern Amazon Web Server or equivalent. If this is the case then it ought to be fairly easy to design a better breeding algorithm than the one that is currently in place. Deca has absolutely proven that it has the artistic talent and developer resources to fix what is broken, improve what needs improving, and keep the whole DragonVale family moving forward.
My two Stardust. I hope other players will make their voices heard.
A few days ago I made ten attempts at a Dusk dragon in the Rift with Level 20 Sun and Moon dragons and the required night time. According to the Compendium there are currently thirteen possible breeding outcomes for Sun and Moon at night beginning with Hail (29.75%), Storm (29.75%), and Moon (13%). My results were four Storm dragons in a row, then four Hail dragons in a row, then two Moon dragons. The statistical odds of randomly getting this set of results is barely north of Absolute Zero.
The statistical odds of everyone getting whatever their last 10 dragons were is approximately the same as the last 10 dragons you bred. Looking backwards after the fact is no way of calculating odds. Shuffle 52 cards and deal them out, making a note of their order. The chances of the cards coming out in that specific order are 8 x 10^67. That is barely north of Absolute Zero. It's a number so small that is called a mathematical impossibility. And it would be the same if it was "random" or if somehow the cards came out ordered by suit in ascending order. The exact same chance. But people can make that ridiculously small chance happen multiple times, in quick succession, just by shuffling and dealing a set of cards.
You might be right that people could manipulate things to get people to spend money. But the fact is, they don't have to mess with the possibilities for these things. The random chance that is already built in, will do the job in a better way, with no effort, than any "fake random chance" ever could.
The Compendium has the ability to set a target dragon within the breeding pair. It will show you the chance of success after a number of breeds. None of the ones you mention are available any more, because of the change of event. But have a look at what you chances of getting your target is. To help get some perspective.
obijuan I think you may have misunderstood, I didn't maintain the game: I was forum staff, not Backflip staff. I mostly helped get event threads prepared before the event started.
If the breeding algorithm actually just cycled through the results in order of likelihood then you'd have gotten Tidal. As you said, you got at least one of everything with lower odds. If it was this way and actually exploitable then I'd expect at least a few YouTube videos titled $$$ DRAGONVALE EXPLOITS $$$ GUARANTEED RARE DRAGONS 🐲NOT CLICKBAIT!!! by now. The game's been out 10 years, how come nobody has found the exploit before? And told me so I can breed more event dragons? I'd like to stop getting untraited dragons on my only successful breeding attempt of the week, that's happened several times this year.
No, sorry, I still think plain old boring luck is to blame. And if there is an issue (and this isn't just apophenia and/or a statistically unlikely but memorable bit of sequencing) it is that you're breeding and selling faster than the game is fetching an updated RNG state from the server and that's causing pairs of breeds from the same seed. If it was meant to be 2/2/1 rather than 4/4/2 that brings the odds right back down to earth. I don't think this is the case, but if you do then maybe try slowing your breeds down a bit. Count to 10 or something. It literally can't hurt your odds.
It’s the Koalas…they’re soaking up too much whine…..and one of mine is spending too much time playing on the bouncy mushroom. That or they’re trying to work remote instead of actually showing up in my park.
Like Obijuan, I’m a long time player and Dragonvale has served as my ZEN when i was going through some of life’s challenge and losses. I start my mornings with a cup of coffee an Dragonvale. As frustrating as the game can be at times, I’m not ready to give up. It’s going t reset and I can try again tomorrow. In the mean time, I can collect event currency, dragon cash and treats…. to have a good feed ready when I do get that dragon.
Would a successful breed be as gratifying if it were easy? I remember when I first started playing and was excited to get a Lava dragon. Or when Delirium pointedly avoided my park and I finally resorted to burning a wish to get one. I went through an entire event with the rune caves and then the whole Pirate event to FINALLY get a rifted Djini on the next to last day. And don’t even get me started on twins. I’m resigned that my park will probably never have blue fire.
So know you’re not alone….everyone is going to have a dragon at some point that refuses to play nice.
And if anyone has an idea on how to motivate Koalas, I’m open to suggestions.
I managed to breed a gravity pedestal, but it was glitched, the egg is invisible, all I got was the pedestal itself…. sigh… it looks awkward!
Aaaanyway, thanks for always having the newest dragons in the co-op cave Adlerist, it makes my dragon life a little bit easier ❤️😃
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love it every time this happens... i imagine its a tipsy koala dancing on a keyboard somewhere.
I found the drunken koala. Spruced him up a bit with some koala caffeine, and he should be good by Monday with a fix for the glitched Gravity egg.No wonder the koalas in my park appear to be on vacation. They all got drunk in our whine lounge then fell into the pool in one of my Paradise habitats. If they keep this up, there won't be any room for Spinky in there.
Oct 2024; taking a break. 🐨 to all. 
