One question I would like to see tested is this - Which has the higher probability of success: x + x or the required combo when the dragon is in 'season'?
20 attempts each. Don't have time for much else.
Lava (Lv15) + Fire (Lv12)
5 Bone 6 Lava 9 Obsidian
Bone (Lv15) + Bone (Lv12)
5 Bone 6 Lava 9 Obsidian
This incredibly small sample gave back identical results, which is actually pretty crazy. But it's a start.
Wow, that is crazy - the odds of getting exactly the same numbers (even if they are the same probabilities) it's very low.
Would be interesting to see this as a larger sample of course, but the best guess based on this sample is they are the same odds.
Another question (one which we can't test yet) is whether Limited+Limited gives the same probability of that Limited, whether or not the dragon is in season at that point.
I suspect the probability would not change, in which case you are safe to just get 2 of each and try for the egg later.
In most cases though, it would be more efficient to breed for the limited using the required combo, rather than the limited dragons themselves. E.g. Zombie + Zombie means that you will not earn anything in the Apocalypse habitat, whereas Meteor + Pollen should not adversely affect your earnings at all (unless you are checking your park extremely often).
Another consideration is the level of the dragons - for limited epics, seeing as they are limited to level 10, you should not (in theory) be able to get a boosted probabilty). But by using 2 level 20 hybrids that CAN make that dragon, you should be more likely to get it.
I'm going to try this when Solstice is back in season with a Level 20 Blazing + Level 20 Dodo.
Last Edit: Oct 15, 2013 20:19:15 GMT -6 by pjsteel
Ingame, under the help section, BFS mentions that "Dragons level 11 and above have increased chances of breeding rare, epic and gemstone dragons"
I'm still interested in knowing how levels affect breeding...
Well, that's interesting and potentially exciting! I totally missed that change. It used to only apply to 15+ dragons...
I assumed it was some kind of compensation for no longer being able to breed like + like anymore.
Previous testing seemed to suggest the difference was reasonably immaterial. I'm hoping now that it apparently kicks in at level 11, the difference by level 20 will be significant.
I don't think it actually specifies that the boost increases as the levels increase (I think it just says something along the lines of 'all dragons 11+ receive increased odds'), although you would think higher level dragons would provide more of a boost.
It also clarifies for what dragons the %age boost applies.
I tried sun w/ equinox once in normal cave and again on island, in cave the outcome was a 5 hour storm, on EBI outcome was 14 hour Smoke dragon. I was hoping for another sun.
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That combo has a lot of variables... It can produce a Sun or an Equinox, but Sun contributes Cdold and Lightning, while Equinox contributes Air and Fire. So you could get a Moon, Autumn, Rainbow, DR or a lot of different hybrids.
So you have a Solstice or either of the Eclipse Dragons? Sun + any of those three would have less possible results and lower average fail times, but the chance for a Moon fail is still there if you breed them at night.
Can the Sun be bred with just Cold and Lightning? Back to basic, and eliminate as many variables as possible. Soltice has earth element in + another Earth element hybrid.
Can the Sun be bred with just Cold and Lightning? Back to basic, and eliminate as many variables as possible. Soltice has earth element in + another Earth element hybrid.
Oh, yeah.
If the only objectve is to get a Sun, your best possible shot at doing so should be your highest level Cold + highest level Lightning on the EBI from 7am to 7pm local time. Or you can sub in Storm or Hail dragons and expect the same results.
We're not actually sure what the percentage chances figure out to be yet, but that would seem to be the best option you have now that there is no longer the 50/50 option.
However, there's proabbly some other factors that could skew things, like Magic or if any of the potential fails in a given combo are valuable to a given player (Solstice and the Eclipse Dragons are still rock solid earners, whereas Equinox isn't as good...)
But you are correct that reducing it all to just Cold and Lightning Elements would have the least variables and possible the greatest chance of success for Sun assuming high level dragons are used.
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Post by DragginDragon on Oct 16, 2013 12:31:51 GMT -6
Wonderful guide, Bloodstone. Covers all the need to know information with this latest update. Thanks for putting all that time and effort into organizing such a good guide.
Just wanted to point out two things though. Air dragons purchase price changed from 500 gems to 750k dragon cash and the rift eggs do not turn into basic light and dark dragons. Rift dragons are a exclusive limited dragon for this event that have a light type and dark type. The winner will imprint the first gift egg with it's type but you can acquire both Dark Rift and Light Rift dragons but achieving higher rewards to each respective side. Not trying to criticize, just simply pointing out. Once again, great job.
Just wanted to point out two things though. Air dragons purchase price changed from 500 gems to 750k dragon cash...
I did not notice that! It's about time. Will correct that shortly
and the rift eggs do not turn into basic light and dark dragons. Rift dragons are a exclusive limited dragon for this event that have a light type and dark type. The winner will imprint the first gift egg with it's type but you can acquire both Dark Rift and Light Rift dragons but achieving higher rewards to each respective side.
Sorry, but I don't believe that to be the case.
The Dark and Light Reward Habitats are stated to be exclusive to the event. It's possible we might even get an exclusive display Rift Egg out of the deal, though I'm not so sure on that one yet.
The dragons, however, do not appear to exclusive.
As I understand it, the term "Rift Dragon" is used as a generic term for both Light and Dark Dragons, since they come from the the Rift of the Scar. They use this term as short hand since we don't know if a Light Dragon or Dark Dragon will hatch from a "Rift Egg".
I'm reasonably certain this is the case based on the information I have.
That said, if you have some proof that your info is right, I will gladly look at it and admit that I was wrong
Not trying to criticize, just simply pointing out. Once again, great job.
I don't mind criticism. When I am wrong, which happens more often than I would like, I prefer people to point out my errors so I can correct them.
I hate for bad info to be out there, especially when it has my name all over it
So thanks, both for the compliment and the correction.*
* potentially corrections, pending examination of evidence.
Post by Fletch_smf on Oct 16, 2013 16:22:25 GMT -6
The only think that mind indicate that the Light and Dark Rift dragons that come through will be different to the standard is that BFS have indicated 38 new dragons will be coming. Leaving aside the Golden Hybrids we currently have 8 elements that combine in 2 different ways to give 56 hybrids and 8 pure elements for 64 dragons. With 2 new elements for a total of 10 which would provide 90 hybrids and 10 pure elements for a total of 100. This would make 36 new dragons. Now it's possible this is just a typo from BFS, but maybe the extra 2 is the Light and Dark Rift Dragons, two dragons that return their respective magics, but are actually different to the Light and Dark Dragons themselves.
The only think that mind indicate that the Light and Dark Rift dragons that come through will be different to the standard is that BFS have indicated 38 new dragons will be coming. Leaving aside the Golden Hybrids we currently have 8 elements that combine in 2 different ways to give 56 hybrids and 8 pure elements for 64 dragons. With 2 new elements for a total of 10 which would provide 90 hybrids and 10 pure elements for a total of 100. This would make 36 new dragons. Now it's possible this is just a typo from BFS, but maybe the extra 2 is the Light and Dark Rift Dragons, two dragons that return their respective magics, but are actually different to the Light and Dark Dragons themselves.
I missed that detail in the press release... if true, that's a great point in favor of the Rift Eggs hatching into more than just regular Light and Dark Dragons.
I have removed the comment about Light and Dark primary dragons until we know more.
I'll be quite excieted if we are getting two more additional dragons out of this event
Last Edit: Oct 16, 2013 16:50:26 GMT -6 by Bloodstone
The Dark and Light Reward Habitats are stated to be exclusive to the event. It's possible we might even get an exclusive display Rift Egg out of the deal, though I'm not so sure on that one yet.
The dragons, however, do not appear to exclusive.
As I understand it, the term "Rift Dragon" is used as a generic term for both Light and Dark Dragons, since they come from the the Rift of the Scar. They use this term as short hand since we don't know if a Light Dragon or Dark Dragon will hatch from a "Rift Egg".
I'm reasonably certain this is the case based on the information I have.
That said, if you have some proof that your info is right, I will gladly look at it and admit that I was wrong I don't mind criticism. When I am wrong, which happens more often than I would like, I prefer people to point out my errors so I can correct them.
I hate for bad info to be out there, especially when it has my name all over it
So thanks, both for the compliment and the correction.*
* potentially corrections, pending examination of evidence.
Your welcome, I just like to stress that because we can't add emotion or vocal tone into text to appropriately display and communicate the message we are saying. I know some people can be hot headed (not saying anyone on this forum is but my experience on other game forums have made me weary) and get offended, especially when being the new guy. Just simply wanted to point out a couple things while also thanking you for the great guide. ^.^ Thanks for understanding.
Honestly I thought it said in the magic tutorial that rift dragons are exclusive but after checking on my test account it appears that I was wrong. :/ The description is vague but I am still under the impression that it is a separate limited dragon. The rift egg description says that what ever element comes out first will imprint it's element onto the first dragon, I believe it would be worded different if they were to simply transform into basic dragons. That would also explain why we could rift eggs for both elements instead of just buying basic eggs.
Fletch, where did BFS post that information of releasing 38 dragons?
Post by Fletch_smf on Oct 16, 2013 18:16:24 GMT -6
Yeah, I tried to find the link before I posted it, but couldn't before I had to drop the kids to school. Will try and rustle it up now.
The only problem I have with exclusive dragons is that they have never done it before. As this will be the only chance to get them players that are new to the game after these elements are released will never be able to get them. I don't know how they could return them in a Bring 'Em Back event if they can't be bred. I guess time will tell.
Post by Fletch_smf on Oct 16, 2013 18:44:51 GMT -6
I can't find an official Press Release from BFS but the following blurb is repeated on numerous sites, so I'm guessing it exists somewhere.
Backflip Studios’ hit dragon collecting game surpasses 750 consecutive days in the US Top Grossing charts and releases biggest update yet
BOULDER, Colo. – Oct. 11, 2013 – Backflip Studios today announced an exciting new update to DragonVale, the dragon-hatching social game that has been scorching the iTunes App Store and Google Play Top Grossing charts with its fiery breath for over two full years, making it one of the longest-standing successes in mobile games. The developer is celebrating the app’s two year anniversary with their largest-ever content update, adding 38 new dragons as well as a brand new Light & Dark community event. With a 4.5 out of 5 average star rating from millions of players and last year’s nomination for GDC New Game of the Year, DragonVale has been a mainstay in the charts since its debut in the fall of 2011.
In this latest update, DragonVale players have the opportunity to collectively influence what comes next in the game – Light or Dark Dragons. Players earn individual rewards for participating in the event. When the event is completed, eventually both the Light and Dark dragons will arrive in the game, resulting in a total of 38 new dragons in addition to the 125 unique dragon breeds previously in the game. As for whether the player community votes for Light over Dark or whether Dark triumphs over Light, only time will tell.
4.5 million monthly active users (MAU) 25 million mobile downloads 750+ consecutive days in the iOS Top 50 Grossing US charts 600 million dragons hatched in the game 38 millennia of collective time spent in the game. That’s 38 thousand years!
Yeah, I tried to find the link before I posted it, but couldn't before I had to drop the kids to school. Will try and rustle it up now.
The only problem I have with exclusive dragons is that they have never done it before. As this will be the only chance to get them players that are new to the game after these elements are released will never be able to get them. I don't know how they could return them in a Bring 'Em Back event if they can't be bred. I guess time will tell.
Thanks for the post, Fletch. Guess I missed that memo floating around lol. 38 dragons, hmm could be the Light Rift and Dark Rift dragons or it could be the zombie and another unreleased dragon to account for the extra 2. We will just have to wait and see. I want to believe the rift dragon is it's own separate entity but you do make a point about the ability to breed it. If these two do exist, they have to be compiled of non-epic elements to fit within the light and dark habitats so perhaps they will share a variety of elements to make them breed able during that event?
Guess I missed that memo floating around lol. 38 dragons, hmm could be the Light Rift and Dark Rift dragons or it could be the zombie and another unreleased dragon to account for the extra 2.
If the event goes til 11/14 or so, then the next quarterly gemstone dragon will have been released by then.
I want to believe the rift dragon is it's own separate entity but you do make a point about the ability to breed it.
BFS doesn't mention the dragons being unique in the FAQ, only the habitats:
Players can purchase Light and Dark habitats, decorations, and dragons only when that element has been released AND if they are at the appropriate level.
The habitats earned through the community event will have their own unique appearance than those sold in the market. In addition, habitats earned as rewards will not count towards your park’s maximum habitat limit.
Last Edit: Oct 17, 2013 7:04:19 GMT -6 by Bloodstone
Post by DragginDragon on Oct 17, 2013 9:46:16 GMT -6
If these are just basic dragons, that would mean people of all levels would have both light and dark dragons. Since there is a minimum level requirement I would have to assume that they would block the lower level ability to breed? Also if you look under the help tab with-in game and check "rewards for casting magic" it says:
"The wizards will entrust you with *rare* Rift Dragons and unique habitats in exchange for your efforts in casting magic. The more you help out, the more Rift Dragons you receive. The wizards will even upgrade your habitat to house them all!"
Now I emphasize rare because I don't believe basic light and dark dragons will constitute to being rare since they must remain purchasable for people after this event. I still believe that these are their own set of dragons, when it comes to breeding perhaps they will be two or three element dragons or maybe even a special one element dragon opening of a new concept to the game.
If these are just basic dragons, that would mean people of all levels would have both light and dark dragons. Since there is a minimum level requirement I would have to assume that they would block the lower level ability to breed?
I think this is a strong point worth considering but...
This sort of thing has happened before.
Storm Dragons cannot be bred til level 11, but can be purchased at level 9 (this may have been fixed recently, but I have no way to easily test that)
Also if you look under the help tab with-in game and check "rewards for casting magic" it says:
"The wizards will entrust you with *rare* Rift Dragons and unique habitats in exchange for your efforts in casting magic. The more you help out, the more Rift Dragons you receive. The wizards will even upgrade your habitat to house them all!"
Now I emphasize rare because I don't believe basic light and dark dragons will constitute to being rare since they must remain purchasable for people after this event.
Could be... but I interpreted that as rare because Dark and Light Dragons have been absent from DragonVale for thousands of years. They are otherwise impossible to get right now.
I still believe that these are their own set of dragons, when it comes to breeding perhaps they will be two or three element dragons or maybe even a special one element dragon opening of a new concept to the game.
And that's still quite possible!
However, this is probably not the best thread for this particular discussion
If these are just basic dragons, that would mean people of all levels would have both light and dark dragons. Since there is a minimum level requirement I would have to assume that they would block the lower level ability to breed?
I think this is a strong point worth considering but...
This sort of thing has happened before.
Storm Dragons cannot be bred til level 11, but can be purchased at level 9 (this may have been fixed recently, but I have no way to easily test that)
True, I forgot about bug with the storm dragons. So the. It is plausible that they could block the breeding for lower level players.
Could be... but I interpreted that as rare because Dark and Light Dragons have been absent from DragonVale for thousands of years. They are otherwise impossible to get right now.
That's true but I haven't seen any other instance where the word rare was use outside of epics and limiteds. If I recall right, the metal dragons weren't referred to as rare either prior to their release. Just simply that they were discovered. Also notice the capilazation of Rift dragons, I feel that has some importance to it. But we will just have to wait and see. ^.^
And that's still quite possible!
However, this is probably not the best thread for this particular discussion
Yeah sorry about hijacking your thread lol I'll move my speculation to the magic thread. Once again, great job on the guide. This new breeding system is gonna take awhile to get used to!
Last Edit: Oct 17, 2013 12:28:57 GMT -6 by DragginDragon
Guess I missed that memo floating around lol. 38 dragons, hmm could be the Light Rift and Dark Rift dragons or it could be the zombie and another unreleased dragon to account for the extra 2.
If the event goes til 11/14 or so, then the next quarterly gemstone dragon will have been released by then.
I'm just noticing now that they say the 38 have been added with the update. I hope that doesn't mean all hybrids will be released simultaneously. That would suck. With that in mind, counting other dragons released during the release of the light and dark dragons would be a lot more than 38. I think that number must be specifically for the 2 new elements.
Also, what about the golden hybrids that are also possible?
Apologies for continuing to hijack this thread. Feel free to move the posts.
I know this has nothing to do with breeding but BS made a list which epic dragon can give which primary element to the breeding. Is it possible that epic dragons will get fortune out of this elements when racing in the dragon track, too ? I had the Blast Furnice track and to get some diversion took the Gold Dragon. He won with facility. I remember choosing an epic dragon in the track will make the race more difficult to win because chances are evened up between the epics. So maybe this changed too ? ( not that it was of any importance, just curious)
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